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Yes, same here Bobster, I would have thought a jewboy. And, like you stated...this is even worse. Maybe they'll set Hal Turner up like they did Matt Hale and have a homosexual jewboy who's 'domestic partner' is a nigger as the jury foreman -- excuse me 'foreperson.' Man, I feel for Hal, it doesn't take much imagination to understand what he is going through. Sitting in a single cell, just sitting and sitting and sitting......
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Hals site is to close under conditions of his bail but a blog has been set up by his family and the address is below. This is the latest from his site. More to this than meets the eye?............. I would absolutely bank on it..
Hey, folks! It's Hal Turner. It's Sunday, June 28, 2009. This is probably the last communication I’m going to be able to make from the Essex County Jail here in Newark, NJ. I've been jailed in Protective Custody on account of the U.S. Marshals because I'm the only non-Hispanic White guy in the prison. So, they figured it'd be better if they put me here; and what that means is: for the last five or six days, I have been in a cell, alone, for 23 out of 24 hours a day. During the hour that I’m allowed to come out, I can take a shower or I get to walk up and down a 50-foot long by 8-foot wide hallway. Some of the other people that are in the other cells seem pretty decent, but only one person is allowed out at a time. So, when I’m out, they're all locked in their cells and vice versa. This has been a very difficult thing. It's been very isolating, and very degrading. If all goes well, I should be out on bail Monday or Tuesday. A lot of folks are working real hard to get me out of here. We need to raise money. We need to raise $20,000 to pay for a $200,000 bail bond. It's going to cost me 5,000 dollars to hire a lawyer for this Federal charge in Chicago. There's a lot of support out there, both within the legal community (other lawyers contacting my lawyer, Michael Orozco) and constitutional scholars who seem to feel that the federal government grossly overstepped itself. We're probably going to win. But, in order to even engage in this fight, we're going to have to raise 25,000 dollars. I know this is not your problem. I'm the one they arrested. I'm the one they charged. But the implications of this case apply to you. If you have a blog, a myspace page, a facebook page, a twitter page and you say something in your home state on your webpage that someone in another state doesn't like...If I lose my case, those people in those other states will get to haul you into court in their state for pissing them off. For those of you who aren't sure of what happened, on June 2nd and 3rd, I wrote my opinion of a Federal Appellate Court ruling from the 7th Circuit in Chicago; and in my opinion I talked about three specific judges who I will not mention now. I quoted Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence. I talked about the "Tree of Liberty" having to be “replenished” from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots. Well, the U.S. Attorney in Chicago feels that quoting Thomas Jefferson was a death threat. I know it's ridiculous. You know it's ridiculous. But he's got the power, and I’m in jail. So that’s the crux of the case; and that's what we have to fight. So, if you guys are willing to stand up for my free speech, my case can stand up for your free speech. I'm asking you to throw $5, $10, $20 in an envelope--50 or 100 if you can...some of you have sent $500 and I’m very grateful. You can send cash, check, or money order to Phyllis Turner, 1906 Paterson Plank Road, North Bergen, NJ 07047-1900. It appeared to me the other day that my wife would not use the house to bail me out. But it turns out the lawyer told her that when a wife uses the house to bail out her spouse, if the spouse is convicted, the government can seize the house for the fine! So I'd be in jail and my wife and kid would be homeless! We don't want to have that happen, right? It probably won't; but we don't want to have that happen. That's why she wouldn't put the house up. She's a good, smart girl for doing that and I love her to pieces. As a part of the arrangement to get me bailed out, I have to shut off the Turner Radio Network Web Server and I have to st op doing the Hal Turner Show. I also can't be on the internet, on the radio, or any of that stuff. Maybe, at some point in the future, we'll be able to modify these terms; but for now, the stuff all has to get shut off. So, my mom has established a Blogspot. The address of the blogspot is http://family-of-hal-turner.blogspot.com. If you want to send my mom an email, send it to family.of.hal.turner@gmail.com. Basically, I'm not going to be able to be out in the public eye anymore. I’m not going to be able to talk to you via email because I don't have internet access. I'm also not going to be able to do interviews with the media. This is probably the last message you're going to hear from me. You're going to have to do any communications about this with my mom. The address of the Blogspot again is http://family-of-hal-turner.blogspot.com and the email address is family.of.hal.turner@gmail.com. Again, my mailing address for donations is 1906 Paters on Plank Rd., North Bergen, NJ 07047-1900. Checks and money orders should be made out to my wife, Phyllis. Folks, this fight is not just about me. I know it's my problem; but this is about protecting all of our freedom of speech. We never thought we'd see the day where an American would be thrown in jail for uttering an opinion. Here we are, June, 2009. That has happened. I am the American who has been thrown in jail for uttering my opinion. We have got to defeat this case to preserve ALL of our freedom of speech! You can help. If you can't send money, duplicate this message and post it anywhere you can. Getting the word out will build support for this thing; and, together, we can defeat this terrible situation that's going to deprive all of us of our freedom of speech. Hopefully, I’ll be bailed out on Monday or Tuesday. Thanks for your support!
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Here is a transcript of Hal's phone call. (there may be a few typo's in the text. Sorry)
Hal Turners emergency phone call from Prison on June 26th, 2009. “All right, ya. This is Hal Turner. I guess it is Friday, June 26th, and I am calling from inside the Essex county jail, in Newark, New Jersey. I want to give you guys a quick update, on the inside scoop, or the “going ons” of my case. And to let you know that I REALY, REALY need your help. The charges that were filed against me are 100% ABSOLUTELY false. At no time, did I personally EVER threaten to hurt anybody. And the words that are printed in the complaint against me, PROVE that I never said, that I personally was going to do any of those things. I based my writings on five separate US Supreme court cases. The cases are Brandenburg Vs Ohio, which says advocating crime and violence is lawful, except if you are right in front of a target where people might be [convinced to commit] (I can’t quit make out the words) “Imminent lawlessness”. In the next case that covers what I wrote, in protected Free Speech, a case called “Indiana Vs. Hess”. And that case said, that remarks designed that could cause violence, if they are NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS A CLEARLY IDENTIFIABLE GROUP, WHO MIGHT COMMIT VIOLENCE, those remarks were also protected. Next case, “NAACP Vs. CLAIBORNE HARDWARE”. It was from 1982. The court ruled that people who make speeches can’t just always communicate in calm [docile] tones. They have to be engaging to the audience. They have to you know get the audiences attention. And that is what I did with my writings. So I am TOTALLY CONFIDENT, that everything I said, was with in the means of the law, based on t hose Supreme Court cases, and I am confident that we can defeat this case. But it is going to cost a FORTUNE. A FORTUNE, to battle the Federal Government of the United States. And I need your help. There is a problem between me and my family. All the pressure of these arrests, and all the pressure of the years of publicity, have put my wife in a situation where she and I are not working as a team any more. I am absolutely on my own. And so without your help, there is no way I can get out of jail. They want like $200 000 bail. Without your help, there is no way I can get out of jail. [inaudible words] ...my own defense. You guys have my home address. Hal Turner 1906 Paterson Plank Rd. North Bergen, NJ 07047 I am begging you. Please help get me get out of jail. Please send what ever cash check or money order you can, to my wife Phyllis Turner. Now the studio line 1-201-484-0060 is still working. But I am not sure if we will be able to keep the server up. So it might go down on its own in the ne xt couple of days. But if we can get some money in here, we can keep it up and keep you guys abreast of what is going on. I am not cut out for this folks. You know, I am Mr. Internet tough guy and all, but I have to tell you, I am not cut out for where I am. The police department, the USS Marshals have me in protective custody, because I am in Essex Country jail, and I am pretty much the only white guy in here. And what they means is that I get 23 hours locked up inside my cell, a 8’ x 12’ cell alone with nothing to read, nothing to watch, and nothing to see. I am allowed out to take a shower, and to get exercise for like half an hour a day. And that is it. That is my day. And I am not cut out for this disconnect from society, this discontinuance from life. So I don’t know how this is going to go. I mean I am not going to do anything stupid right. But, I will just give you for instance, when they took my blood pressure this morning it was 140 over 120. So I am like 10 digits away from a s troke or heart attack. And if that happens, it happens. But I need your help, and I am asking you to please help. I also want to point out that there are big differences between my case and the case in involving Bill White from the NSM. On the ANSWB. Unlike Bill White, I NEVER personally communicated to any individuals. Unlike Bill White, I NEVER sent written communications to any individuals. And unlike Bill White, I never made communications to an individual regarding personal matters the way he did with his credit bureau report or whatever. So the charges against Bill White, and the charges against me are the same, but the circumstances between the two cases are very very different. And that is why, that is one of the big reasons, that I have an excellent chance of beating this thing. But I can’t do it without your help. It is going to costs tens of thousands of dollars to get lawyers in Chicago. US Marshals service is probably going to take me to Chicago some time with in the next couple of days. I don’t know. I have no control over it, and I won’t be able to talk to you probably ever again. Oh incidentally, one final thing, you know how James Wickstrom always says you only “only take flak when you are over enemy territory?” I want to prove to you that this whole thing was designed to shut me up. The conditions of my release on bail, if I am able to get the bail, the conditions of my release are, I have to stay in the house under house arrest with electronic monitoring. I am not allowed to even LOOK at the Internet. I can not serf the web, and nobody in my family can serf the web. The court would install monitors on their computers to make sure they can’t serf the web. I am not allowed to be on the radio, or host my own radio show. And I must surrender any radio broadcasting equipment that I own including Short Wave Radios, so that I can not be heard by the public. These are the terms that were set out by the assistant United States attorney in the US Distri ct Court in Newark New Jersey yesterday when I went for my arraignment. So clearly, they are terrified of the information that I have been giving out. And I want to tell you one final thing. The FBI agents that raided the house on Wednesday, guys of my agent his name is Dan Bruner he is from the FBI in Newark in New Jersey. Then there is Kimberly F. middle initial F. last name is Mogowitz or Mogohoewitz it is some Polish name like that. And then another agent came out from Chicago his name was Mark Wallshralager or something like that. It is on the search warrant. And I am going to ask my people to scan that search warrant, and post it up on the Web so you guys can see the guys name. All of those agents said to their bosses on their phones, in front of me, 'WE DON’T HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE TO ARREST THIS GUY, THIS GUY IS HARMLESS'. In fact Scralager, Mark Scralager, what ever his name is, from Chicago, argued with his bosses at the FBI for over an hour saying he did not want to arrest me, because he did n ot have probable cause. And he was not only ORDERED to arrest me, but he was told, if he didn’t arrest me, he'd lose his job. This prosecution of me is 100% political. It has to do with the sensitive information that I have been releasing. About the collapse of the United States dollar as a currency. How the Nation of Japan sent two employees from its finance ministry across the border from Italy to Switzerland, to try to quietly dump US bonds, because the government of Japan doesn’t believe that our country can pay off it debt anymore. And so what has happened, is by virtue of me, exposing all this stuff, the FEDERAL Government of this country has trumped up charges against me. Charges they KNOW are FALSE, based on those Supreme Court case laws that I talked about earlier. And they have done this, to try to make sure that I can not talk to you. Now I am going to reach out to Jim Wickstrom, and to Paul Geller, and to Derrick MacThomas down in Australia, and I am going to ask them, to plea se take over and take control of the Turner Radio Network. I want that website to stay on line. I need those shows to stay on line. I need you guys to support them. To keep those things running. Because if the government of this country is so frightened, by what is being broadcast there, that it has to continue. Folks, I don't know if I will ever get to talk to you or see you again. And I don’t know if I will ever get to see my family again. But Freedom and Truth are worth fighting for.” (Automated voice interrupts call and says, “The Jail administration will disconnect your call in 5 minutes.”) “Freedom and Truth are worth fighting for. And if I have to give my life to fight for Freedom, then here it is. Take it. I am Hal Turner. Goodbye.” Video Here or Quote:
Supreme Court Case Law Supports Turner The legal stan dard for what is "advocacy" and what is unlawful "incitement," was established by the U.S. Supreme Court in a case "Brandenburg v. Ohio" 395 U.S. 444, 447 (1969) which ruled that advocating crime is protected free speech as long as the remarks are uttered in a context which does not lend itself to imminent lawlessness. In that case, Brandenburg, a leader in the Ku Klux Klan, made a speech at a Klan rally and was later convicted under an Ohio criminal syndicalism law. The law made illegal advocating "crime, sabotage, violence, or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reform," as well as assembling "with any society, group, or assemblage of persons formed to teach or advocate the doctrines of criminal syndicalism." The question for the Supreme Court was this: Did Ohio's criminal syndicalism law, prohibiting public speech that advocates various illegal activities, violate Brandenburg's right to free speech as protected by the First and Fourteenth Amendments? The Supreme Court ruled that the Ohio law did, in fact, violate Brandenburg's right to free speech. The Court used a two-pronged test to evaluate speech acts: (1) speech can be prohibited if it is "directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action" and (2) it is "likely to incite or produce such action." The criminal syndicalism act made illegal the advocacy and teaching of doctrines while ignoring whether or not that advocacy and teaching would actually incite imminent lawless action. The failure to make this distinction rendered the law overly broad and in violation of the Constitution. The Connecticut law under which Turner has been charged suffers the same defect. In addition the circumstances of Turner's utterance -- on the internet -- lacks the potential for "imminent lawlessness." A second U.S. Supreme Court case also deals with this issue wi th regard to talking about killing elected politicians. "Watts v. United States" 394 U.S.705 (1969) Id. at 708 which specifically allows and protects talk of killing government officials (even the President of the United States) when there is little likelihood the speech will be acted upon. Such talk is defined by the court as "crude political hyperbole." Between the Brandenburg case and the Watts case, Turner says he will defeat Connecticut. He says that his opinion, published on June 2, did not result in any illegal actions anywhere, yet he was arrested a full day later even though nothing happened. "Having an entire day go by with no criminal act kind of cuts the heart out of the idea my remarks could cause imminent lawlessness" he said. Turner says once he defeats the criminal charge, he will sue Connecticut for false arr est, false imprisonment, deprivation of Constitutional rights under color of law and libel for falsely calling him a fugitive from justice. Download the Official 12 Page Complaint Against Turner Here More info Here |
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More free-speech, non-racist, anti-White video's on YouTube
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I am disappointed that we never seem to be able to work together. I love what Don has been able to create here at Sf, but at the same time I also admire the work of other Patriots who stand up against the Zionists. Reading the negative comments posted by members directed at Hal, made me wish that Hal could defend himself against some of the accusations. It disturbed me so much, that earlier today (June 19th, 2009) I wrote Hal an email and asked him to "Clear the air" in regards to him being an FBI informant. Within an hour Hal responded with the following email. (I hope this helps to clear up any uncertainties.)
Originally Typed by Hal Turner via email on June 19th, 2009. The claims that I am some sort of Agent Provocateur or even an FBI Informant are false in every regard. There are only two types of people who raise such claims when speaking about me: 1) Small-mind ed, gutless people who are so afraid of government reprisal, they won't use their God given right to freedom of speech, AND; 2) Vicious opponents like the Southern Poverty Law Center who will stop at nothing to sew seeds of doubt among White Nationalists. There is not one White Nationalist, racist, skinhead, Klansmen, member of Aryan Nations or any other group, anywhere in the world, who has ever been arrested or charged with a crime because of me. There is not one court case, anywhere on the planet, that features me as a witness against any White Nationalist. Allegations that I worked with the FBI arose after "unnamed computer hackers" broke into my radio show web site server and claimed they had found e-mails between me and the FBI. This was proved false when the fabricated e-mails they produced bore the e-mail address of Optonline.net instead of HalTurnerShow.com While the server which handled e-mails for HalTurnerShow.com was, in fact, breached by hackers, no e-mails from my ISP (Opt online.net) here in New Jersey ever routed through that server! Even though the radio show server was hacked, there is no way any e-mails from Optonline.net would ever be in that server. You really have to wonder about the intellectual capacity of anyone who would swallow allegations made by "unnamed computer hackers." and treat such allegations as truth. Such gullible people are mentally inadequate to be involved in a movement like White Nationalism. You must also wonder about any so-called White nationalist who would willingly believe anything reported by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Its mission is to stop pro-White groups. They are no friend of White Nationalism. What kind of idiot would believe anything said by the SPLC about another White Nationalist. With respect to the fabricated e-mail, allegedly between me and an FBI Agent, many times over many years, I spoke openly about visits made to me by the FBI and Joint Terrorism Task Force. When I spoke of those visits, I was very open about who it was that came to my home and often mentioned the names of the Agents involved. Those names are contained in the audio archives from my shows over the past eight years and it would not be any effort at all to download those shows, listen to the names and then fabricate an e-mail as being between me and the agents who I identified on my radio shows. The entire effort to claim I was working with the FBI is nothing more than a way to drive a wedge between me and my radio audience. FBI intimidation failed to shut me up. Secret Service intimidation failed. U,S. Marshal Service intimidation failed., New Jersey State Police intimidation failed. But alleging that I was an informant seems to have achieved the goal of those opposed to me and to White Nationalism. It is strange and disheartening that our own people would so willingly believe something spewed by our avowed arch enemy, the SPLC. In 2005, the Maryland State Police went so far as to officially declare me and 52 other law-ab iding citizens as being "Suspected of involvement with Terrorism but about whom there is no evidence whatsoever of criminal activity." I was officially declared a terrorism suspect by the Maryland State Police because I gave a speech at a Klan Rally at the Antitem National Battlefield in Sharpsburg, MD. Two years after being officially labeled a terrorism suspect, the Maryland State Police notified me that this classification had been made in error and that I was being removed from that list. Does anyone really believe that the FBI would allow an informant to be officially labeled a terrorist suspect? I don't. It would hamper their efforts, wouldn't it? In the final analysis, there are folks who excuse their own failure to take public action by hurling accusations at me. There are people who try to divert attention form their own cowardice by assailing my real life efforts. They are liars and pathetic fools. Anyone stupid enough to believe such people are of no value to any cause, never m ind a cause as serious as White Nationalism. Those who assail _me_ will not hesitate to stab _you_ in the back. Remember that. Hal Turner June 19, 2009 5:35 PM 2nd email response four hours later: Some loose ends: I have been roundly criticized for making claims that were wholly absurd but which were designed to be such. For instance, after Hurricane Katrina, I was on vacation in Wildwood, NJ with my wife and son. While there, I placed updates on my "trip south" where I "bagged" about 70 "targets." I spoke of how it was hard to get the first one, but as I got more and more, it became easier. I did this for the purpose of tweaking the nitwits who, by virtue of them thinking White Nationalists are murderers, would go off the deep end and run to the cops. It worked! The mental midgets reacted exactly as expected, calling every alphabet agency they could to "alert them" about the "killings" I had "committed." only to be made total fools of when I returned from nvacation and posted that the "targets" I "bagged" were in the boardwalk game "Whack-A-Mole" that I played with my son. After having made complete idiots out of those who perceived me to be Satan incarnate, folks caught on to my mischievous streak which I use to toy with the mental midgets who opposed me. After that, few took such bizarre claims seriously because they all knew that such patently absurd claims were nothing more than toying with the enemy; a form of psychological warfare. Another gem of psychological warfare took place when I mused about feeding to the sharks, five Hispanics who came to my house. Those who listen to my show regularly know that the one rule I always mentioned was "If you ever do something illegal, never, ever, tell anyone." So, here I was musing about having committed murders. The nitwits who oppose me went nuts and called law enforcement. Again, they were made fools of because anyone with a brain knew it was a total hoax. If I had, in fact done anything like that, I would NEVER talk about it. The biggest laugh came when a bunch of blacks and Hispanics got gunned down, execution style, in a Newark, NJ schoolyard. It turned out the perps were illegal aliens from Peru. I spoke about this on the same night that a major earthquake struck that country, and wildly claimed that the quake was done as sabotage by my radio show supporters who placed explosives at a key geological lock beneath Peru to cause an earthquake. No one in their right mind would ever believe such a thing, but a whole slew of dingbats sure did. Imagine how nutty a person would have to be to call the cops and claim that a radio host in the USA caused an earthquake in Peru? It's hysterical to imagine, yet that's exactly what happened. The only people who are really pissed off about my antics are the ones who were taken in by them. Get over it. It was a joke. Entertainment. It was funny. We have a lot of things that are really serious to deal with. It's only fair to stop and lau gh once in awhile. I did that through my show. Those without a sense of humor never got over it. One last thing: Many claim that I have damaged White Nationalism by referring to the tactics used by the Founding Fathers (i.e. force and violence.) If you think that has damaged the movement, ask yourselves this: What good has being peaceful and lawful done for the last 30 years? Further, who does more harm to the movement, a guy like me who says it's time to start kicking ass or the numerous others who tell everyone, wait. . . .don't do anything rash. . . . . wait until the time is right. . . .but for whom the right time never comes? The naysayers prevent action. The naysayers have failed. Thirty years of "the movement" achieving nothing proves the naysayers have failed. The definition of Insanity is making the same mistake over and over, but expecting a different outcome. Thus, the naysayers are insane. Until we actually employ the methods used by the Founding Fathers, we nwill continue to fail. Like it or not, that is the reality. One last item. Millions of Americans who listen to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and the like sent literally millions of letters, faxes, e-mails and made millions of phone calls regarding the "Immigration Compromise" which would have granted another Amnesty to illegal aliens. 12 Hours before the final vote in the U.S. Senate, I published, on my web site, the home addresses and unlisted home telephone numbers of the 64 U.S. Senators who repeatedly defied the Will of The People by supporting that Bill. 12 hours later, Senators had gotten so many brutal phone calls and nasty personal visits at their homes, that 18 U.S. Senators changed the vote they made only 3 days earlier and thus killed the Amnesty Bill forever. Rush Limbaugh didn't do that. Sean Hannity and Bill Or'Reilly didn't do that. I did it. No less than the President of the National Council of La Raza, appearing on CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" blamed ME by name for defeat of that Bill and for "creating a wave of hate" against immigrants. My tactics work. That's proof. Nuff said. Hal Turner Last edited by British74; 06-29-2009 at 02:48 PM. |
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We need to get the Patriots of the world rallied together in support of Free Speech and Hal's case. We need to get a Free Speech Money Bomb under way. We need to create a Web site where Patriots can "Pledge" via their emails to donate on a specific day, perhaps July 25th, 2009. We need at least 1000 Patriots to donate $100 dollars on that day to defend America's Freedom of Speech. 1000 x $100 = $100 000 dollars raised. We need to CREATE A PROMOTIONAL VIDEO which encourages Patriots to take an active roll in defending their freedoms by donating on that day. We need to create a video similar to the one below:
Ron Paul: Tea Party 07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8 Last edited by Whitebear; 06-29-2009 at 06:11 PM. |
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